Ivoormeeuw

Pagophila eburnea  ·  Ivory Gull

Datum 20 januari 2017
Locatie Nordfriesland Duitsland
Fotograaf Co van der Wardt Co van der Wardt
Bekeken 9503 ×

Discussie

John van der Graaf  ·  20 januari 2017  22:59

Wat een treurnis Co. Goed dat jullie er bij mochten zijn, dan lijkt het toch nog op een soort afscheid. Max schreef onlangs, dat er iets in zijn keel vastzat. Is al duidelijk wat dat was?  Beste groeten van John

Tanja Matthies  ·  21 januari 2017  20:49

I dont understand dutch. So I dont understand, what you have written in the comment. But I sure DO remember, that wie met there at the Ivy Gull. We left, when you arrived. I explained where the gull was. And I explained that the gull was doing really, really bad. And I asked you to keep away from it and not to scare it! You showed me your "thums up". I am sure, you understood, what I said. And I am absoulutely filled with indignation about your behavior at the gull. it is absolutely inacceptable that you picked up the moribund gull and put it on a top, so you could take a better picture of it!!! How sick must one person be to behave like that? I cannot control your manner in the Netherlands, but I can expect that you respect our behaviors in Germany, when you come here! You showed that you have NO respect for the gull! And I am not willing to accept that. That was definitely the last time I was cooperative with a dutch birder! 

Max Berlijn  ·  21 januari 2017  21:33, gewijzigd 21 januari 2017  21:37

Dear Tanja, do you mean that the dying gull in this picture was put in a position to take this photo? If so, by whom? 

Tanja Matthies  ·  21 januari 2017  21:34

Ok, now... Well, after Arne Torkler contacted me and explained, that not only us, but also the Dutch Birders in large part agree to what I wrote, I might change my mind about generalizing Dutch birders... But - sorry - I will be more careful...

Tanja Matthies  ·  21 januari 2017  21:44, gewijzigd 21 januari 2017  22:30

Yes, Max Berlijn, that is what I am trying to say! I saw the gull minutes before it died. And it was NOT able to walk anymore. And it was hiding (because it was extremely weak and trying to hide from predators!) in the grass and could not be seen well. The gull was not able to climb that little "bump". And a friend of mine arrived after I left and told me what happende. I can name at least four Germans who were there and who are willing to testify that those two Dutch Birders picked up the moribund gull and put it there for the picture!

Tanja Matthies  ·  21 januari 2017  22:07

Herr Uhlhaas, the text is not telling the truth in several aspects... The gull was found by Malte Georg. I was there when he found it. And nobody allowed them to touch the gull! The other birders were protesting - that's what I heard, when I asked them after I was told by one what had happened right after I had left.

Leo Heemskerk  ·  21 januari 2017  22:57

Een stervende vogel boven op een pol helm is wel raar........

Remco Hofland  ·  21 januari 2017  23:43, gewijzigd 22 januari 2017  08:52

(The board of) Dutch Birding does not in any way condone the handling of (rare) birds in distress in order to take better pictures; such illegitimate handling is clearly the case when a bird is obviously taking its final breaths.

Both Dutch birders who are posing with the dead bird in another picture deny having handled the Ivory Gull while it was still alive. They stick with the story that an authorised (German?) person went up to the bird, allowing all birders present to follow him and take pictures of the bird from nearby; it died minutes later. This story should be easy enough to check.

To all reading this I would like to point out rule #8 of the 'Gedragsregels' (Respectful rules of engagement): if anyone witnesses inappropriate behaviour of a birder or photographer, please take a photograph of the behaviour, the person and/or his or her license plate. Appropriate action can then be taken against him or her.

Remco Hofland

Chairman Dutch Birding Association

Jan Hein van Steenis  ·  21 januari 2017  23:45, gewijzigd 21 januari 2017  23:48

Van ornitho.de:

"Bemerkung von Béla Bartsch: Mit T. Matthies, M. Georg und O. Henning. Gegen 10:15 Uhr vom Deich aus von M. Georg hier (wieder-)entdeckt. Vogel ist sehr schwach, schafft es nichtmal sich aufzurichten und versucht nur tiefer in die Vegetation zu gelangen. Kurz vor dem Tod des Vogels kam es noch zu völlig respektlosem Verhalten mehrerer Beobachter, die sich selbst mit dem (gerade noch lebenden) Vogel in der Hand in Szene setzen lassen (siehe Fotogallerie auf dutchbirding.nl). Es ist doch nicht zu glauben..."

Tanja Matthies  ·  22 januari 2017  00:26, gewijzigd 22 januari 2017  00:26

This was the bird, when I saw it right before I left..
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjXaXOECu6M
 This bird was NOT able to climb that little hill. It is obviously trying to hide! NO ONE allowed to touch the bird. If not the Dutch, who put the bird on the little hill? Why do the Dutch have the picture of the gull on the hill and no one else? It makes me really angry that they deny what they did!

Tanja Matthies  ·  22 januari 2017  07:57, gewijzigd 22 januari 2017  08:08

I ask Co van de Wardt: You probably  took lots of pictures of the bird before this one. I made that video of the bird right before you came (we met at the cars 200 m away from the gull - we left, you came). Do you have any pictures of the gull on it's way to the top of that little hill? What is your explanation of how it got there?

Remco Hofland  ·  24 januari 2017  22:32, gewijzigd 24 januari 2017  22:54

As many of you know, on January 20th, 2017 the adult Ivory Gull of Northern Germany that some of you went to see, and others perhaps hoped to still be able to, died of a (most likely untreatable) disease. In any case, the German authorities did not give permission to catch the gull to bring it to a bird recovery center and so its death was inevitable.

Much has been said about birders’ behaviour prior to the gull dying. On behalf of Dutch Birding I collected statements of several German and the three Dutch birders present when the gull died. First I’ll explain the extent of the ‘Dutch Birding rules of conduct’. I’ll then give a chronological overview of what happened. I will discuss what Dutch Birding believes to be inappropriate behaviour. After that I will discuss the measures Dutch Birding will take. And lastly I will give my personal opinion of what happened.

DUTCH BIRDING RULES FOR TWITCHERS

However, I’ll start with the Dutch Birding ‘Gedragsregels’ (‘rules of conduct’) (www.dutchbirding.nl/pagina/1355/gedragsregels_voor_vogelaars). Recently I updated the rules Dutch Birding presses its members to follow when twitching or otherwise viewing a bird. Many of these rules relate to respect for landowners, village inhabitants and fellow birders. However, it goes without saying that the bird’s safety and well-being is of primary concern (therefore this is rule 1). Basically, even though excitement sometimes gets the better of us, common sense should prevail at all times.

Rule 1 states that disturbance to a bird should be avoided / minimized. It also specifically states that photographers should verify whether they are not doing anything that could potentially harm the bird.

Rule 2 forbids the entering of lands for which no prior permission has been obtained.

Rule 3 asks of people to listen to what others have to say regarding the well-being of a bird.

Rule 5 asks of people to tell their fellow-twitchers to stop what they’re doing if their behaviour contradicts rules 1-4.

In the view of Dutch Birding rule 1 was clearly broken here. It seems as though rules 3 and 5 were also violated. Prior permission to enter the field was granted (at least to the persons there to collect the bird).

WHAT HAPPENED

Chronologically, this is what happened:

1. German & Dutch observers were standing on a dyke overlooking a fenced field in which the Ivory Gull was found earlier on 20 January 2017.

2. After the observers witnessed a particularly strong jerking movement of the bird, after which it disappeared, two German birders, on-site to collect the bird for autopsy after it died, told the others (in English) they would walk down alone to check whether the bird had died.

3. They were nevertheless followed into the field by two other German and three Dutch birders.

4. Upon arrival the bird was still (but barely) alive, half hidden under vegetation.

5. After taking a picture of the partly covered bird, the two other German birders left the site to not further disturb the bird; one German conducted several phone calls in order to consult the relevant authorities about how to proceed.

6. A Dutch birder picked up the bird and placed it carefully on an elevated spot in the grass in order to obtain better photographs. One of these photographs is published on Dutch Birding website.

7. From the dyke, the returned German observers meanwhile clearly voiced their negative opinions about the handling of the bird.

8. The bird eventually creeped back into cover.

9. One of the Dutch birders then approached the bird close in order to take photographs with his cell phone.

10. A few minutes later the bird died.

11. The dead bird was picked up and photographed by the Dutch birders. One of these photographs is also published on Dutch Birding website.

12. The German birder collecting the bird asked those present not to publish any of the photographs taken.

INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOUR

While it is understandable that people desire to get the best possible views (and/or photographs) of a (rare) bird, one should observe common sense as to how far one can go (literally and figuratively speaking).

In this particular case the bird was clearly dying, and to further aggravate its apparent distress by approaching it closely and handling it for the sake of a better picture is simply appalling.

Equally disturbing is the fact that none present prevented the handling of the distressed bird.

MEASURES AGAINST INDIVIDUALS

Recently, Dutch Birding unfortunately had to act upon a violation of rule 2 (accessing a restricted area, thereby willingly jeopardising chances of an excursion to a rare bird). In that case the culprits were not sent any Rare Bird Alerts for two months.

In the view of Dutch Birding, a Dutch birder clearly broke rule 1 here by handling a distressed bird for his own benefit: to obtain better pictures. It may be that all of those who approached the dying bird (German and Dutch) broke the rule to some extent (for which only the persons responsible for collecting the dead bird have a valuable excuse), but the handling of the bird just for better pictures in our view crosses the line in a major way. Furthermore, when asked to describe what happened in detail, the person who handled the bird lied about it. The other Dutch birders also didn’t come clean, and/or downplayed their actions by stating that ‘others also photographed the bird’.

Dutch Birding has therefore decided to withhold Rare Bird Alerts for two months from the person handling the distressed bird, and one month for the other two. All have been notified that a repeat-offence could lead to their removal from the Dutch Ranking.

Both pictures (one of the distressed bird after it was moved, and one of the dead gull being shown) will remain on this website. If only so that others can respond to this message and are able to reread the thread caused by these actions. Dutch Birding feels both images are strong reminders of how not to behave, and sincerely hopes similar actions will be avoided / aborted in the future.

MY PERSONAL VIEW

I’m not a photographer. I am a twitcher but I also have common sense. It is beyond me why someone would approach a distressed, dying bird for better photographs or views. There are only two reasons why I would approach a bird in that position: to either pick it up and bring it to an animal shelter, or to put it out of its misery.

Remco Hofland  ·  24 januari 2017  22:34

Ik neem aan dat jullie kunnen volgen wat ik hiervoor in het Engels plaatste. Zo niet, zie hieronder voor een samenvatting.

Ik bespreek de actie van de drie Nederlandse vogelaars rondom het overlijden van de Duitse Ivoormeeuw op 20 januari 2017 jl. Van de meeste betrokkenen ter plekke heb ik verklaringen gekregen over wat er gebeurde.

Nadat de vogel, die van een dijk werd gezien en die zich overduidelijk in de laatste uren van z'n leven bevond, in de vegetatie verdween liepen twee Duitsers het veld in om de vogel veilig te stellen voor vogelgrieponderzoek. Twee andere Duitsers en de drie Nederlanders liepen mee. De vogel, sterk verzwakt en hijgend naar adem, bevond zich in een kuiltje half onder het gras. Men nam foto's van c 10m afstand en de twee andere Duitsers spoedden zich terug naar de dijk. De Nederlanders bleven, en een van hen verplaatste de vogel naar bovenop de vegetatie om betere foto's te kunnen maken. Ook maakte hij foto's met z'n mobiele telefoon van zeer nabij. Na enkele minuten overleed de vogel, waarna er meer foto's van werden gemaakt.

Het zeer nabij benaderen en zelfs verplaatsen van een vogel in doodsnood is gedrag dat overduidelijk in strijd is met Dutch Birding Gedragsregel 1 (zie hierboven voor de link). Het bestuur kan er niet bij hoe iemand dat gedrag vertoont, en er dan ook nog over liegt.

Het bestuur is dan ook unaniem van mening dat dit handelen dient te worden gesanctioneerd, en wel met uitsluiting van de RBA's voor twee maanden. De twee Nederlandse kompanen die de vogel weliswaar niet hebben verplaatst maar hier ook niet tegen optraden, en eveneens fotografeerden van zeer nabij, krijgen een 'tijdstraf' van 1 maand. Alledrie zijn gewaarschuwd dat recidive van overtreding van de Dutch Birding Gedragsregels kan leiden tot verwijdering van de Nederlandse Ranking.

De beide foto's van de vogel (een voor en een na z'n dood) blijven op de site staan. Zodat dit bericht en de reacties ervoor en erna kunnen worden teruggelezen, maar voornamelijk omdat ze een sterk beeld vormen van de sterk afkeurenswaardige actie van onze medevogelaars.

Max Berlijn  ·  24 januari 2017  22:45, gewijzigd 25 januari 2017  05:53

Het laten staan van de foto's (die volgens mij door de uploaders zelf verwijderd kunnen worden) vind ik wel erg ver gaan. Hierdoor is het voor de twee personen te allen tijde onmogelijk deze hele gebeurtenis tot het verleden te doen laten behoren. Wanneer je je "straf uitgezeten hebt" moet je toch ook een kans krijgen op een nieuw/schoon begin ?

George Sangster  ·  24 januari 2017  23:29

Mijn complimenten voor Remco en het DBA bestuur voor hun kordate actie. Ik deel hun mening dat het laten staan van de foto's de beste strategie is. Bij verwijdering kan iemand anders de foto's doodleuk elders op het internet beschikbaar maken, als wijze les of uit wraak. Dan ontbreken de discussie en de bevindingen van Remco en het DBA bestuur, en valt het buiten de invloedssfeer van de DBA.

Tanja Matthies  ·  28 januari 2017  20:51

People ask me, if I am satisfied with the DBA's decision. Well, I wouldn't call it "satisfied", but I'm content and very gratefull that no effort was spared to clarify what happened. I think misbehavior of photographers and birders like this is a serious issue - and of course not a Dutch problem. It could have been German photographers/birders just as well. I'm well aware of that. 

Thanks Remco! Well done! :-) 

Max Berlijn  ·  17 februari 2018  07:33, gewijzigd 17 februari 2018  07:34

Norman Deans van Swelm  ·  17 februari 2018  14:00

Zelfs een foto maken van een dooie Fuut levert daar strafpunten op! Wat mij, het hele verhaal nog eens lezend, opvalt is dat niemand kritiek  heeft geuit op het lakse optreden van de Duitse vogelaars. Die hadden de vogel namelijk al veel eerder kunnen pakken en naar een vogelasyl kunnen brengen! 


https://birdingbeijing.com/2018/02/09/code-of-conduct-for-chinese-bird-photographers/


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